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Righteousness in Designation?

            Friday I was interviewed and retained by a new client. This particular client has several issues that actually can fall in line with a great debate we have all been following.           

First, a little background:

             A young newly wedded (three years) couple has their tax return done by “pros” as they are not among those who follow the taxing world. We will call them Pat and Jody Taxpayer. Having just started their own Business they left HeRBert (the group who prepared their returns) for what to them was perceived as a tax professional. They retained a CPA to handle some general bookkeeping and complete tax returns. 

Good choice? 

Of course it is, “All but the militantly nefarious and hopelessly deluded concede that CPAs are experts at keeping books and records. There simply is no higher accounting “designation.” then CPA

            The CPA (Certified Public Accountant) maintained records by gaining access to Pat & Jody’s bank account using the online statements. The first tax season for this CPA came around and she completed the 2007 tax return. Another year passed, and she completed the 2008 return.

            Several months ago, the IRS notified the Taxpayers that the 2007 return was under investigation. Seven lines on two different Schedule Cs were in Question. 

            Considering a CPA had prepared this return there should be no worries. 

So how did I get this return?

            When the time came for the audit with the “Tax Compliance Officer”, the CPA, had manufactured information to provide the IRS to validate two of the seven lines in question and did not show up to guide the Taxpayers through the 3 ½ hour long ordeal. Needless to say, the IRS found no substantial proof or validation for seven lines in question. P & J now are holding a bill from the IRS for over $10,000.00.

Not only are the taxpayers confused about what happened, but the “Compliance Officer” also looked at their 2008 return, they are about to undergo another audit. 

“Because good accounting skills are a critical part of good tax preparation, CPAs are uniquely qualified to be tax preparers.” 

So where is this CPA? Avoiding Pat and Jody. 

This is a most uniquely “qualified” tax preparer?

I reviewed 2006 (again prepared by HeRBert – a fast food chain preparation service), 2007 and 2008 returns. (again, these two returns were prepared by the same “CPA”)

  • 2006 had 6 errors resulting in a $213 refund to Pat and Judy (I can say this because I have already amended this return)
  • 2007 has 21 errors - three missing forms (associated with errors) and if that wasn’t bad enough, 5 of the errors are mathematical.

“Good tax preparation is about numbers. It’s about keeping good books and records.

In short, it’s about good accounting.

In fact, what is a tax return if it’s not an accounting?”

                                    Hummmmm

if anyone needs a definition to “accounting” I have a link to the right for Merriam-Webster Dictionary or you can click this.

Good thing it doesn’t suggest an ability to add or subtract.

Same for Accountant

  • 2008, well is just wrong. I say this because nothing changed from 2007 through 2008.
  • 2007 consisted of
    • 1040 Long Form
    • 2 Schedule Cs

What the 2008 return consisted of was a 1040A – Short Form, nothing more.

My conclusion is this CPA stands proudly among those who are truly CPA tax professionals. You real CPAs who are tax pros, give her credibility she assuredly doesn’t need. 

As for Jody and Pat, luckily they found a tax professional. I will help them through the amended returns, the audit up coming, and any and all IRS intervention that may come their way. If you wish to stay updated on their situation, I will create a blog page giving more detail information and will keep it updated.

 However not all of you will see it this way. Why? Well, I am no longer a CPA. I am not an EA, nor am I an Attorney. What does this make me? I am an unenrolled preparer. 

Unenrolled preparers, by definition, have no recognized credentials and are bound by no professional standards 

And what are the unique qualifications of an unenrolled preparer? 

Would someone please tell me? 

Anyone? 

The silence is deafening. 

That’s because the answer is “none . . . nada . . . zero . . . zilch.” 

The silence sir, is deafening because you are on your computer. But now, please, open your eyes fully, adjust your glasses, I want you to hear me plainly. 

An unenrolled preparer is a unique person. Like a Lawyer, a CPA, or Doctor or any other profession, you are going to have unqualified hacks. My Credentials are useless in the taxing industry. 

Or did you miss it?

The AICPA told a CPA/Tax Professional “We do not offer a credential in taxation. In general, our approach has been not to develop credential programs around areas for which the public already believes CPAs to ‘own’. In addition, we do not endorse a particular tax credential.” 

An unenrolled preparer sees how others take advantage of the miss-conceptions of the designation and learns tax rules and regs to help people through what can be a very taxing time (no pun intended). 

I question your thinking when you say a man with over 35 years in the tax preparation industry has no credibility. I only have 23 so I must not have any either?

Hummmm, let’s look at my background a bit:

a)      A Masters in Accounting

b)      Formally employed by this countries (at the time) Largest Accounting firms

c)      Formally a CPA

d)     23 years preparing returns for taxpayers

Of the four listed in my mind, only qualifies me to call myself a tax professional. I can assure you it isn’t one of the top three. 

“There simply is no higher accounting designation.” 

Thus, if the Internal Revenue Code imposes an affirmative duty on taxpayers to maintain good books and records, doesn’t that alone explain why CPAs are uniquely qualified to prepare tax returns and why many CPAs are drawn to the field of tax preparation? 

Of course it does.” 

            You Pompous arrogant ass. Is your head so high in the sky that you are not getting enough oxygen?

            True enough, the IRC does affirm duty to taxpayers to maintain good and accurate records. Alone that tells me (a former CPA) should seek advice from a CPA on how to keep those records not how or where to put them on a tax return.

            It is my opinion that a good majority of the CPAs that are drawn to taxation and preparation do so for the money. 

            (Not to get off subject, but are you actually a licensed Tax Attorney, and a CPA? I know a few Lawyers and I’ll have to ask, to be sure, but I think like the AICP, there is nothing out there for Lawyers to hold actual “tax” credentials. If I am wrong please correct me, do you have some designation that says you’re a Tax Lawyer? If so, what is it? 

             As for not being bound by professional standards, I find it hard to understand why I have to point out to a designated pro that we (The Unenrolled prepares) are bound by the same rules in Circular 230 as you are. Maybe you should read it some time.

            A while back, I post Who is: a post that defines different titles. If you want to see the entire post please click on the link Who is: Below is a brief recap: 

A Tax Attorney - Typically large and even small businesses will meet with a tax attorney once every quarter or once a year to ensure that they are making the best possible business choices with regards to investments and tax issues. Since the taxation, laws change constantly. 

A Bookkeeper – is responsible for keeping accurate, up-to-date business records for proper cash flow management, balance sheet preparation, and developing expansion and investment plans. 

Accountants – keep track of a company’s money. 

Enrolled Agent – is a federally authorized tax practitioner who has technical expertise in the field of taxation and who is empowered by the U.S. Department of the Treasury to represent taxpayers before all administrative levels of the Internal Revenue Service for audits, collections, and appeals.

 

Tax Preparer – an individual who prepares tax returns.

 

Other post from the “taxguy” blog that may be related to the taxpayer issue mentioned in this post.

Choosing the Right Representative

Choosing a tax preparer. . .

5 Worst Things You Can Do if You Get an IRS Collection Notice a Guest post from Peter Pappas. . .

More on “finding a pro”. . .

Everybody hates an Audit. . .

Audit Avoidance

How to Avoid IRS Penalties and Interest

Top tax savers

Your Rights as a Taxpayer

Picking A CPA With Too Much. . .

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Picking A CPA With Too Much. . .

Picking A CPA With Too Much “Accounting” Experience That Doesn’t Relate To You!

 

This is another addition to the series “Mistakes made when choosing a paid tax preparer”.

 

Most people don’t realize this, but many CPA’s usually spend most of their time doing accounting and auditing work – NOT taxes! (CPA = Certified Public Accountant) They get paid to sign off on accounting, payroll and complicated bookkeeping for larger businesses. So when it comes to preparing taxes for the regular middle income family, it’s just not something they’ve been spending their time thinking about or doing much of, or most of the year.

CPA’s have a ton of experience in many very complicated accounting practices, doing very complex audit work and usually doing a really great job helping some large business or very high net worth rich guy with his investments and taxes. But, for most tax returns that are filed each year, nah.

 

Look here, does this sound like your tax return? I thought so.

 

You are not alone. The majority of regular middle income folks will never need the experience coming from a CPA’s background because the accounting and auditing work does not relate to their normal family income status. Am I saying all CPA’s are wrong for you to choose to file your taxes? Absolutely not. There are some Certified Public Accountants who take the time to keep up with the latest tax laws. They’re specialist.

In most cases however, you are better off finding a tax preparer who is good at doing what you need done. And in this case, if the tax preparer preparers a lot of middle income tax returns already, that’s even better.

Think of it this way: Would you use a sledge hammer to hang a picture frame? (I didn’t think so.) Remember: Go with a tax professional with TAX preparing experience, not auditing or accounting or something else that doesn’t relate to you!

 

In my post Who Is. . . I list the different professions that prepare taxes. A Tax Attorney, A Bookkeeper, Accountants, Public accountants, Management accountants, an Enrolled Agent, a Tax Preparer. All are qualified to handle your return preparation. I ask that you chose someone who fits you. Look around

 

 

Please catch my guest post over at The Wondering Tax Pro. Where I give my tax advice. BEST OF THE BEST – BRUCE MCFARLAND is the start of a series of Guest Post for TWTP so he can spend his week locked in at work. Yes tax preparers work all year, not just January thru April. 

:) Several of us are giving out our best advice in the tax world. Try not to miss the series. (it last all week)

 

             Tax Carnival #41: TaxtoberFest 2008 is up don’t miss my entry there. There is a lot of great entries for this carnival, make sure to read them all.

 

 

 

Again, I want to invite you all to write guest post on this subject. I want to hear from all bloggers or just readers with their own input. Let’s see what you see I have missed. If you have some words of wisdom on this subject please let us share it with everyone, if it is something that has already been covered, so what, I am looking for others to tell what they know or have learned about finding a paid preparer.  I have room for two more guest spots.

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